Sure! So Eight is the eighth doctor, right? But he regenerates into the War Doctor, which would technically be the ninth doctor. That makes Nine the tenth doctor and Ten the eleventh. Tentoo is considered a regen, so he’d be the twelfth doctor, which makes Eleven the thirteenth!
Recap (with helpful pictures!):
Eighth Doctor (Eight!):
Actual ninth doctor (War Doctor!):
Actual tenth doctor (Nine!):
Actual eleventh doctor (Ten!):
Actual twelfth doctor (Tentoo!):
Actual thirteenth doctor (Eleven!):
There is so much truth in all of this.
#ten keeps hugging eight and crying
All my creys
so you’re telling me there’s an alien who regenerates into a completely random form, that he cannot control or determine himself, and who understandably could take millions of different appearances, but who all 13 times just turned into a different skinny white guy
Okay, so it’s been a week and a half and I am still hopping mad about the Time War retcon. I know, I know. I know. I mean, it’s not keeping me up nights or anything, but every time I try to engage with fandom I just end up
So this is my attempt to just lay it all out, say my piece, make all of my totally correct and completely cogent arguments and hopefully just go back to “yeah that”ing in other people’s posts.
It’s rull long. You’ve been warned.
If multi-liking were still a thing I could do here on tumblr, I would multi-like the fuck out of this post.
I agree with every fucking SYLLABLE of this meta. I think I have made most of these points at various times since the episode aired, just like… less eloquently and not all in one well-ordered place, lol. I also had not seen that Buzzfeed interview with Moffat, and I think it’s really revealing. He clearly did not understand or care about what RTD did/was trying to do with the Time War, and rather than just moving on and doing something else, he decided to burn the house that Rusty built to the ground, just because he could.
The thing that really kills me is that if the ultimate goal was just getting Gallifrey/the Time Lords back, I think if Moffat had tried harder he could have come up with ways to reverse what happened as opposed to making it so that it never happened in the first place, which is a really important distinction, particularly from an out-of-universe perspective. It means every time he angsts about the hard choice he made Nine’s entire character arc doesn’t turn into one big “the audience knows something he doesn’t know haha fuck you audience” upon a rewatch post-50th, which would have been nice.
But of course, that quote from the Buzzfeed article sort of indicates to me that the ultimate goal wasn’t just getting Gallifrey/Time Lords back, it was actually sending a big fuck you to RTD and his whole Time War story arc.
#his hearts still stutter in his chest when he hears those two words#even though it’s been centuries since he heard them last#he’s better at hiding it though #he sees his younger self freeze#go pale and shocked at the sound of the words that have always led back to Rose#and then the memory slots back into place#they’ve been coming back in bits and pieces this whole time#snatches of memory#different vantage points on conversations he’s in the middle of#different perspectives on decisions he’s already made - is making - will make#but it’s not till just now that she’s figured into the picture #it’s not her #not really#but it’s her face and her voice and he’s been starved for both for so long#and when he looks over to the box where he knows she’s sitting #he can see her#just for a moment #not quite memory and not quite reality#smiling at him from across the room (via lyricalprose)
fem!doctor au - tilda swinton as the doctor
you’ve got the entire universe on your shoulders - so where would you like to go first?
WHY NOT REAL?!
IM PISSING THIS IS HOW RON GRAINER ORIGINALLY INTENDED THE DOCTOR WHO THEME TO BE LIKE HOLY FUCK
And now you can see why it’s so fucking annoying that Delia Derbyshire literally got no fucking proper credit for years.
After she passed away they found recordings from the 1960s she’d stored in her attic. She was a revolutionary musician, seriously, listen to samples on here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7512072.stm
The only prescription is more cowbell
The fact the 50th anniv ep consisted of 95% tribute to Moff’s vision of New Who, and 5% tribute to the show’s storied history and legacy, was just plain gross. I find it bizarre he approached this celebration as not a celebration at all, but a place to lay down his own Who legacy for the next 50 yrs (like he’s desperate to be the writer who solve the regeneration issue before the year turns, apparently?). I guess I shouldn’t be taken aback by his ego any more, he just continues to outdo himself.
Yeah I mean I think the most egregious thing there is John Hurt, which has been discussed to death but we can now safely say having seen the 50th and the way the “War” Doctor was made of puppies and grandpas, there is 100% no reason that could not have been Paul McGann, except that having John Hurt allowed for… what, a twist in NOTD, sort of? It’s not like the John Hurt Doctor was somehow unDoctory or that the Time War was ever a secret or that he was more of a warrior or anything at all, really.
Well, that and the fact that the 50th anniversary episode centered around a plotline that has been exclusive to New Who and then undid it. Everything he kept saying in interviews, about needing to lay the groundwork for the next 50 years, was very strange to me because I did feel like, I mean, isn’t that what you do… every other episode? Surely the Christmas special or your own season arcs and finales are better places to look to the future; an anniversary is really designed to remember the past.
If the rumors are true about the Christmas ep dealing with the regeneration and the resolution of “where does the Doctor get more regenerations???!1?!” (the question no one cares about), it seems like John Hurt really was only introduced to up the regeneration count, so Moffat could tackle this topic before he leaves as showrunner.
I get the vague (and very hopeful) feeling Moff might leave after Twelve has been around for one full season, so he’d need to get his grubby hands on this issue now, apparently. And if he really rushes into this issue during the Christmas ep, then doing it WITHIN the 50th anniversary calendar year is an extra coup de gras for his ego.
And really, the main character in ALL of Moffat’s Who tenure has been his ego. So there’s no surprise in any of this. Just nonsensical flailing, like Moffat’s plots.
The really stupid thing about Moffat adding John Hurt entirely to up the regeneration count to thirteen just so he could be the one to ~heroically solve the problem~ is that really, to the extent that most of us really care about it, RTD already solved it with a throwaway line in The Sarah Jane Adventures. And maybe at the time I was slightly annoyed that it was only a single throwaway line as opposed to, like, three lines (for anyone who hasn’t seen it, Clyde asks Eleven how many times he can regenerate and Eleven gives a ridiculously high number in the hundreds or something; if I had my druthers I guess I’d have preferred that plus perhaps something like “the Time Lords used to limit it but they’re gone now so goodbye limits!”), but it was still plenty for me to be reasonably satisfied had they eventually allowed (REAL, POST-CAPALDI) Thirteen to regenerate into Fourteen with no further comment.
And I guess it just emphasizes for me how much the 50th was about Moffat’s Outrageous Ego and how much it wasn’t about celebrating fifty years of Doctor Who - he created the entire episode to set up his solution to a problem that somebody else had already solved. When he should have been concentrating on commemorating the contributions of fifty years’ worth of showrunners, he was focused entirely on shaping his own (crappy) legacy.
Moffat: Makes mini-episode with Paul McGann
Fandom: PAUL MCGANN!!
Fandom: EVERYONE WATCH AND SHARE THIS VIDEO IT’S GOT PAUL MCGANN
Fandom: makes petition to have more Paul McGann
Moffat: Obviously the best thing about that mini-episode wasn’t McGann, and what I’m getting from this is that we should make more mini-episodes that don’t involve Paul McGann.
I clicked the link, I read the article, and then I let out an actual wordless scream of rage.